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lambrini wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:25 pm I echo Zambo's post. While nationalisation seems promising on paper, history has shown it time and time again to be unsustainable in the long run. Why? Because, as Thatcher put it, socialist strategies eventually "run out of other people's money." Zambo rightly points out who will pay for it and at what cost? Resentful types shout "tax the rich!" but, as we all know, the wealthy find loopholes like offshore tax havens or move aboard, as many did in the '70s. So, the burden falls on ordinary men and women, taxed at ridiculously high rates. Additionally, nationalised industries become heavily unionised; unions organise continuous strikes and hold nations to ransom, hindering progress.

To my mind, nationalisation isn’t a realistic solution for Britain, now or ever. Prove me wrong in twenty years time!

lambrini wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:25 pm I echo Zambo's post. While nationalisation seems promising on paper, history has shown it time and time again to be unsustainable in the long run. Why? Because, as Thatcher put it, socialist strategies eventually "run out of other people's money." Zambo rightly points out who will pay for it and at what cost? Resentful types shout "tax the rich!" but, as we all know, the wealthy find loopholes like offshore tax havens or move aboard, as many did in the '70s. So, the burden falls on ordinary men and women, taxed at ridiculously high rates. Additionally, nationalised industries become heavily unionised; unions organise continuous strikes and hold nations to ransom, hindering progress.

To my mind, nationalisation isn’t a realistic solution for Britain, now or ever. Prove me wrong in twenty years time!

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:22 pm A socialism shreeek straight from the manifesto, how big was that "C" did you say you were?

Sunbeam Alpine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:53 pm

lambrini wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:25 pm I echo Zambo's post. While nationalisation seems promising on paper, history has shown it time and time again to be unsustainable in the long run. Why? Because, as Thatcher put it, socialist strategies eventually "run out of other people's money." Zambo rightly points out who will pay for it and at what cost? Resentful types shout "tax the rich!" but, as we all know, the wealthy find loopholes like offshore tax havens or move aboard, as many did in the '70s. So, the burden falls on ordinary men and women, taxed at ridiculously high rates. Additionally, nationalised industries become heavily unionised; unions organise continuous strikes and hold nations to ransom, hindering progress.

To my mind, nationalisation isn’t a realistic solution for Britain, now or ever. Prove me wrong in twenty years time!

"Running out of other peoples' money"....how tired and wrong that is.
We pay greater subsidies now to our railways thann we did when they were nationalised. While they screw their customers too and give them lousy service. THAT money comes from us and largely goes to foreign owners as dividends..
So how do Netherlands, France and Germany manage to run railways that are better and cheaper without bankrupting the taxpayer?

lambrini wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:48 pm
We're not the Netherlands, France or Germany, Hillman. Have you looked outside?

lambrini wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:47 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:22 pm A socialism shreeek straight from the manifesto, how big was that "C" did you say you were?

Sure, bud. A poster quotes Thatcher and immediately they're branded right-wing. Okay!
Keep dreaming about that 'Tory girl' fanfic you rustled up last week!

antdad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:35 am

lambrini wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:47 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:22 pm A socialism shreeek straight from the manifesto, how big was that "C" did you say you were?

Sure, bud. A poster quotes Thatcher and immediately they're branded right-wing. Okay!
Keep dreaming about that 'Tory girl' fanfic you rustled up last week!

Keep quacking like a duck...

subsub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:31 pm

lambrini wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:41 am Yep, it's hilarious how they automatically assume I'm a 'Tory' when, in reality, the Tory party and being a small-c conservative, which I am, are two different things. Besides, money doesn’t necessarily equate to efficiency. Why would anyone believe that pouring more cash, especially funds from the EU, into Britain's railways would make everything better?

None of them commented on my previous post about the absolute shit-show state of the country. Everyone, including them, knows Britain is beyond repair. I have mixed feelings about Labour. Keir Starmer will literally need a magic wand and decades to fix it all. And how will he he do it? Answer: he doesn’t know. In the past, Labour's answer to everything was money, borrowing, and encouraging people to be dependent on the state. That won't work this time.

I don't agree with that at all. I'm not overly negative about the future of the UK. I think there's an awful lot that needs to be fixed, but none of it is insurmountable.

Zambo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:52 am

subsub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:31 pm

lambrini wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:41 am Yep, it's hilarious how they automatically assume I'm a 'Tory' when, in reality, the Tory party and being a small-c conservative, which I am, are two different things. Besides, money doesn’t necessarily equate to efficiency. Why would anyone believe that pouring more cash, especially funds from the EU, into Britain's railways would make everything better?

None of them commented on my previous post about the absolute shit-show state of the country. Everyone, including them, knows Britain is beyond repair. I have mixed feelings about Labour. Keir Starmer will literally need a magic wand and decades to fix it all. And how will he he do it? Answer: he doesn’t know. In the past, Labour's answer to everything was money, borrowing, and encouraging people to be dependent on the state. That won't work this time.

I don't agree with that at all. I'm not overly negative about the future of the UK. I think there's an awful lot that needs to be fixed, but none of it is insurmountable.

I admire your optimism, but I have to meet it with a similar level of pessimism.

We are fucked.

lambrini wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:41 am

antdad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:35 am

lambrini wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:47 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:22 pm A socialism shreeek straight from the manifesto, how big was that "C" did you say you were?

Sure, bud. A poster quotes Thatcher and immediately they're branded right-wing. Okay!
Keep dreaming about that 'Tory girl' fanfic you rustled up last week!

Keep quacking like a duck...

I'm not the one obsessed with Tory girl fanfiction, mate. Jog on.