Corbyn

[Roddy]

Labour's fightback begins!! err with them losing their deposit after only 1,515 votes.





https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... tarts-live

[Ralph]

Labour's fightback begins!! err with them losing their deposit after only 1,515 votes.





https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... tarts-live

Nobody genuinely thinks Labour are fighting back. They will continue to be an irrelevance until they ditch Corbyn. Labour have more members than voters in Richmond Park. What an absurd situation to end up in.

[Steve Hunt]

Labour's fightback begins!! err with them losing their deposit after only 1,515 votes.





https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... tarts-live

Nobody genuinely thinks Labour are fighting back. They will continue to be an irrelevance until they ditch Corbyn.

By which time they could be so hopelessly divided that they could still spend a decade out of power.

Much as I despise Labour, it is not good when the official Opposition are so weak.

[Ralph]

Labour's fightback begins!! err with them losing their deposit after only 1,515 votes.





https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... tarts-live

Nobody genuinely thinks Labour are fighting back. They will continue to be an irrelevance until they ditch Corbyn.

By which time they could be so hopelessly divided that they could still spend a decade out of power.

Much as I despise Labour, it is not good when the official Opposition are so weak.

Agreed.

Sooner they face up to reality the sooner their fortunes will recover.

[Royal24s]

Or perhaps we should scrap the whole tribal thing because it obviously achieves nothing but a lot of hot air.
Isn't it time to elect some representatives who are capable of , and willing to actually DO something constructive ?

[Roy Twing]

Or perhaps we should scrap the whole tribal thing because it obviously achieves nothing but a lot of hot air.
Isn't it time to elect some representatives who are capable of , and willing to actually DO something constructive ?

Agreed.
Seems to me that corbyn's labour represents the true labour mindset, - the PLP hijacked the party over the years and just became another cheek of the mainstream backside.
The PLP should admit that it is basically a left of centre liberal outfit and ditch the labour misnomer, - maybe join forces with farron's bunch, and call themselves new libdems.

[Steve Hunt]

A newspaper cutting from May 1987. The eight IRA men were attempting to kill all the police officers inside the Loughgall RUC base at the time they were shot. A civilian was also shot dead by accident, but there is no mention of him in Corbyn's tribute, who appears only concerned for terrorists "who died fighting for an independent Ireland".

[Ralph]

A newspaper cutting from May 1987. The eight IRA men were attempting to kill all the police officers inside the Loughgall RUC base at the time they were shot. A civilian was also shot dead by accident, but there is no mention of him in Corbyn's tribute, who appears only concerned for terrorists "who died fighting for an independent Ireland".

Another reason from a long list as to why he should go.

[Rossco]

Just another left wing maggot. He's a loser. Never will win anything.

[kancutlawns]

But I thought the left wing maggots were using their will to win everything? They won the general election from 1997 to 2005 inclusive and so dominate the "democratic process" that the congenitally thick alt-right don't get a chance or are you struggling with a consistent thought process again? You been smoking the waccy-baccy again Ross?

[Steve Hunt]

But I thought the left wing maggots were using their will to win everything? They won the general election from 1997 to 2005 inclusive

That was not a Left wing government, Lawnsy. Blair's more right wing than Majors or the coalition government.

[The Tick]

Corbyn's old attitudes to the IRA were not right. But it's two-faced of those who condemn him for such things, since they probably are the same who whitewash the vile actions of the RUC and the British Armed Forces in Northern Ireland.

[m4rkb]

Or perhaps we should scrap the whole tribal thing because it obviously achieves nothing but a lot of hot air.
Isn't it time to elect some representatives who are capable of , and willing to actually DO something constructive ?

Agreed.
Seems to me that corbyn's labour represents the true labour mindset, - the PLP hijacked the party over the years and just became another cheek of the mainstream backside.
The PLP should admit that it is basically a left of centre liberal outfit and ditch the labour misnomer, - maybe join forces with farron's bunch, and call themselves new libdems.

The trouble is people feel compelled to vote tribally just to keep their least preferred option out . The only time they don't is when you get a stronghold and the guaranteed losers' votes migrates to some of the other parties. UKIP would have swept the board last year if certain Tory strongholds didn't spot the danger of NOT noting Conservative.

But the main parties all know the centre ground is the main battlefield these days and as a result it's like voting for the local Police Commissioner. Vote for the one who'll prioritise crime and the victims of crime

But despite the fact they are broadly all the same entity, enough differences still exist to spot left wing and right wing motives. New labour wanted to flood us with immigrants and rub our noses in it. The tories have an even worse record on immigration but there's surely a big difference in wanting to rub people's noses in diversity and one of filling gaps in the jobs market. One welcomes all types of third world shit - and they like it even better when they rock up on benefits with ten kids just to rub our noses in it even further; The other would never think that way.

But all that aside, there is a growing liberalisation of the Tory benches. The likes of Anna Soubry being one case in point.

[Ralph]

Or perhaps we should scrap the whole tribal thing because it obviously achieves nothing but a lot of hot air.
Isn't it time to elect some representatives who are capable of , and willing to actually DO something constructive ?

Agreed.
Seems to me that corbyn's labour represents the true labour mindset, - the PLP hijacked the party over the years and just became another cheek of the mainstream backside.
The PLP should admit that it is basically a left of centre liberal outfit and ditch the labour misnomer, - maybe join forces with farron's bunch, and call themselves new libdems.

The trouble is people feel compelled to vote tribally just to keep their least preferred option out . The only time they don't is when you get a stronghold and the guaranteed losers' votes migrates to some of the other parties. UKIP would have swept the board last year if certain Tory strongholds didn't spot the danger of NOT noting Conservative.

But the main parties all know the centre ground is the main battlefield these days and as a result it's like voting for the local Police Commissioner. Vote for the one who'll prioritise crime and the victims of crime

But despite the fact they are broadly all the same entity, enough differences still exist to spot left wing and right wing motives. New labour wanted to flood us with immigrants and rub our noses in it. The tories have an even worse record on immigration but there's surely a big difference in wanting to rub people's noses in diversity and one of filling gaps in the jobs market. One welcomes all types of third world shit - and they like it even better when they rock up on benefits with ten kids just to rub our noses in it even further; The other would never think that way.

But all that aside, there is a growing liberalisation of the Tory benches. The likes of Anna Soubry being one case in point.

Glad you acknowledge that because it's undeniable the figures are significantly higher now than 6/7 years ago despite the promises to reduce net immigration to the tens of thousands. A promise they made no effort to keep.

What baffles me is why you're still willing to make excuses for them.

What are you basing the idea that we're now getting a better standard of immigrant on exactly?

[Royal24s]

I don't think he was making excuses for them.
The point is about clinging to tribal politics long after those running the respective parties have forgotten the ideas upon which they were founded, especially when those ideas have been proven by experience not to work and in any case were intended to address the problems of a bygone age.