Jeremy Corbyn

[The Tick]

The character assassinations from the PLP and the media from day one have helped to paint a skewed picture.

[kancutlawns]

IDS. That should give some sort of indication.

[Ralph]

So Labour should just ape the Tories? That's the only way?

They did that under Blair, and we got the Iraq War, and a widening of the gap between rich and poor. Which is why the working class abandoned Labour well before Corbyn became leader.

The choice isn't sink with Corbyn or just ape the Tories is it.

Tony Blair can't be blamed for the decline in support for Labour that's happened in the last 10 months while Corbyn's been leader. Tony Blair left office nearly 10 years ago.

[Steve Hunt]

So Labour should just ape the Tories? That's the only way?

Sadly, it probably is, Tick.

Blair aped the Tories & Cameron aped Blair.

Apart from 1979-90, every post-war government has more or less occupied the centre ground

[Ralph]

IDS. That should give some sort of indication.

When it dawned on him he wasn't up to the job he stood down.

[kancutlawns]

For all their faults, the Conservatives realised when they were looking down the barrel in the last decade and got through a number of leaders before getting back into power. Labour under Corbyn don't want to do this and are firmly stuck in a rut.

[The Tick]

So Labour should just ape the Tories? That's the only way?

They did that under Blair, and we got the Iraq War, and a widening of the gap between rich and poor. Which is why the working class abandoned Labour well before Corbyn became leader.

The choice isn't sink with Corbyn or just ape the Tories is it.

Tony Blair can't be blamed for the decline in support for Labour that's happened in the last 10 months while Corbyn's been leader. Tony Blair left office nearly 10 years ago.

The current PLP deserve that honour. Labour still did ok in council elections and got London mayoralty. So much for Corbyn being a voter repellent spray.

But Blair's legacy can not be ignored either. It's why many were leaving Labour already.

[Ralph]

For all their faults, the Conservatives realised when they were looking down the barrel in the last decade and got through a number of leaders before getting back into power. Labour under Corbyn don't want to do this and are firmly stuck in a rut.

For the moment they're happy in their rut, talking to themselves & not even trying to win back power. Hopefully at some point that'll change.

[The Tick]

For all their faults, the Conservatives realised when they were looking down the barrel in the last decade and got through a number of leaders before getting back into power. Labour under Corbyn don't want to do this and are firmly stuck in a rut.

The Tories in their lust for power pandered to a non-centrist voting bloc, and had the 2008 economic crisis to hit labour with.

[Steve Hunt]

For all their faults, the Conservatives realised when they were looking down the barrel in the last decade and got through a number of leaders before getting back into power. Labour under Corbyn don't want to do this and are firmly stuck in a rut.

The Tories in their lust for power pandered to a non-centrist voting bloc, and had the 2008 economic crisis to hit labour with.

According to all the polls in 2008-09, Cameron was a dead cert for an outright majority in 2010.

He blew it n the months leading up to the election.

[Ralph]

So Labour should just ape the Tories? That's the only way?

They did that under Blair, and we got the Iraq War, and a widening of the gap between rich and poor. Which is why the working class abandoned Labour well before Corbyn became leader.

The choice isn't sink with Corbyn or just ape the Tories is it.

Tony Blair can't be blamed for the decline in support for Labour that's happened in the last 10 months while Corbyn's been leader. Tony Blair left office nearly 10 years ago.

The current PLP deserve that honour. Labour still did ok in council elections and got London mayoralty. So much for Corbyn being a voter repellent spray.

But Blair's legacy can not be ignored either. It's why many were leaving Labour already.

They didn't do OK in the council elections. They did worse than Ed Miliband did in the equivalent election 5 years earlier. They also lost ground in Wales & finished third behind the Tories in Scotland.

[Steve Hunt]

What is the answer then, Tick & Ralph?

Do want to see a new party break away or are you happy to leave Corbyn in charge (assuming he wins in September) & wait for the hapless Ms May to fuck things up, which she inevitably will?

[The Tick]

What is the answer then, Tick & Ralph?

Do want to see a new party break away or are you happy to leave Corbyn in charge (assuming he wins in September) & wait for the hapless Ms May to fuck things up, which she inevitably will?

The latter for me, if the PLP stop trying to destabilise things.

[Ralph]

What is the answer then, Tick & Ralph?

Do want to see a new party break away or are you happy to leave Corbyn in charge (assuming he wins in September) & wait for the hapless Ms May to fuck things up, which she inevitably will?

I think trying to set up a new party is a stupid idea. If Corbyn wins Labour will just have to stagger on to the next election & hope to mitigate some of the damage.

[Steve Hunt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36909862

Corbyn ballot challenge rejected. He can re-stand as leader in September.