birdie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:49 pm
You know that's not true, there are, of course, those who have never done anything else, but many of them had careers before they went into politics. there are doctors, (who still practice part time), nurses, teachers, lawyers, the odd actress or two and TV presenters, but to say that no one in politics has never done anything else isn't wholy acurate.
The people you are talking about are priced out of the political system unless they are wealthy, backed by a union or 'think tank'. I have a friend who is a CEO of a major charity and Labour activist, she's run for election as an MP and both times ended up maxing her and her wife credit cards. This is a person who daily sees the most abject poverty and neglect of children - the type of person you want to be an MP.
birdie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:49 pm
You know that's not true, there are, of course, those who have never done anything else, but many of them had careers before they went into politics. there are doctors, (who still practice part time), nurses, teachers, lawyers, the odd actress or two and TV presenters, but to say that no one in politics has never done anything else isn't wholy acurate.
The people you are talking about are priced out of the political system unless they are wealthy, backed by a union or 'think tank'. I have a friend who is a CEO of a major charity and Labour activist, she's run for election as an MP and both times ended up maxing her and her wife credit cards. This is a person who daily sees the most abject poverty and neglect of children - the type of person you want to be an MP.
A coastal town popular with retirees has voted Conservative for decades but an influx of urbanites has unsettled the status quo. The BBC visited the town to meet some of the newcomers responsible.
Re: Labour Shadow Government Bullshit thread
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:45 pm
by carcinogen
What position would you bang Rayner (Angie, not the Claire) in? I'm thinking hard left. I'd smash that Keyes style, so hard her lisp would be cured.
Re: Labour Shadow Government Bullshit thread
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:38 pm
by The Ghost of Alex Higgins
I'd monster that firecrotch so hard she'd be calling for New Labia
Re: Labour Shadow Government Bullshit thread
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:10 pm
by Vespa
Kier is in don't scare the cats mode.
Liz is in crack addict trying to order a McDonalds via the app mode.
Liz has at least proven the neo-liberalists that all these think tanks have groomed her for and are now actually in government are as wrong as wrong can be. Germany grew its economy by reducing taxes at the bottom because poor people and the middle classes spent that money. I once visited a partner of a company I was working for, in their warehouse they had a noticeboard with a table that showed what benefits you could claim for each grade. It can't be right that people who work also have to claim benefits to live, the living wage needs to be that and employers need to live up to their half of the social contract.
In Liz's neo-liberal Britain she'd remove all rights as in the UK and cut benefits so these people would have to work more than one job their theory being that improves productively. People said Corbyn was a communist and would destroy the economy, Liz is the other side of that coin. At best she'll end up refactoring the Torys back to the middle ground. Maybe not
Re: Labour Shadow Government Bullshit thread
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:26 pm
by carcinogen
I like Liz. She's got BALLS.
Re: Labour Shadow Government Bullshit thread
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:38 pm
by The Ghost of Alex Higgins
And a sizeable COCK
Re: Labour Shadow Government Bullshit thread
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:45 pm
by carcinogen
Liz has got some big fucking balls. Sorry that upsets all the wishy-washy lib-dem coalition wannabe's. Time to get shit DONE now. Enough fannying about. Sink or swim. She's invigorated me. I know now I can't fuck about. Gonna make some money ... get busy busy.
carcinogen wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:18 am
For whatever the reason and there are quite a few the political class in this country, on all sides, it at an all time low in terms of talent. I'm not sure how that can be resolved.
It's been like that for years, though. No-one in politics has ever done anything else, they either go via student politics or via a trade union. They know little else but election campaigns and opportunism to get them up the next step to Parliament. Once they get there they haven't got a clue about how the rest of us live, or see any further than the next election and how to keep their seat.
This is why Brexit turned out to be such a shambles; they couldn't just pass Brussels law on the nod any more, and were left to their own (pathetically inadequate) devices. I can't see Palmerston's Cabinet making such a fuck-up of a golden opportunity, but there you go.
carcinogen wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:18 am
For whatever the reason and there are quite a few the political class in this country, on all sides, it at an all time low in terms of talent. I'm not sure how that can be resolved.
It's been like that for years, though. No-one in politics has ever done anything else, they either go via student politics or via a trade union. They know little else but election campaigns and opportunism to get them up the next step to Parliament. Once they get there they haven't got a clue about how the rest of us live, or see any further than the next election and how to keep their seat.
This is why Brexit turned out to be such a shambles; they couldn't just pass Brussels law on the nod any more, and were left to their own (pathetically inadequate) devices. I can't see Palmerston's Cabinet making such a fuck-up of a golden opportunity, but there you go.
Which shows just how much 'sovereignty' successive governments gave away, that wasn't what people voted for in 1972?, ( I didn't have a vote then but I do recall hearing that it would make trade with mainland Europe much easier and it was supposed to harmonise prices of goods such as cars and wine, whatever dame of that promise.
carcinogen wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:18 am
For whatever the reason and there are quite a few the political class in this country, on all sides, it at an all time low in terms of talent. I'm not sure how that can be resolved.
It's been like that for years, though. No-one in politics has ever done anything else, they either go via student politics or via a trade union. They know little else but election campaigns and opportunism to get them up the next step to Parliament. Once they get there they haven't got a clue about how the rest of us live, or see any further than the next election and how to keep their seat.
This is why Brexit turned out to be such a shambles; they couldn't just pass Brussels law on the nod any more, and were left to their own (pathetically inadequate) devices. I can't see Palmerston's Cabinet making such a fuck-up of a golden opportunity, but there you go.
Which shows just how much 'sovereignty' successive governments gave away, that wasn't what people voted for in 1972?, ( I didn't have a vote then but I do recall hearing that it would make trade with mainland Europe much easier and it was supposed to harmonise prices of goods such as cars and wine, whatever dame of that promise.
It did make trade easier. No customs at all. Much harder now.
Harmonising the price of goods was never part of it as far as I am aware. How could a new car cost the same here as it would be in say Poland or Latvia etc… totally different economies.
