Even with Trump in power a UK/USA trade deals didn't move, because the US want to move meat and the UK wants to move services and neither side wanted them.birdie wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:54 pmDon't forget that Obama told us that Britain would be at the back of the 'queue' if we voted to leave the EU, obviously told by Cameron to say that as the Americans don't have queues, they have lines.antdad wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:50 am Farage was never going to run especially with his track record. I watched an interview months ago and it was clear then he was happy to continue to be a disrupter on the sidelines than be part or the daily grind of politicking at his age.
Shame our strong U.S ally doesn't feel the same about the U.K's economic prospects by agreeing a trade deal, more Brexit benefits.
That pissed off quite a few people, being told by an American president how they should vote.
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Obama was merely stating an obvious truth. The USA wasn't going to prioritise trading relations with the UK at all. The post-brexit reality is testament to that.birdie wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:54 pmDon't forget that Obama told us that Britain would be at the back of the 'queue' if we voted to leave the EU, obviously told by Cameron to say that as the Americans don't have queues, they have lines.antdad wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:50 am Farage was never going to run especially with his track record. I watched an interview months ago and it was clear then he was happy to continue to be a disrupter on the sidelines than be part or the daily grind of politicking at his age.
Shame our strong U.S ally doesn't feel the same about the U.K's economic prospects by agreeing a trade deal, more Brexit benefits.
That pissed off quite a few people, being told by an American president how they should vote.
Obama wasn't ordering the UK electorate to vote any single way. He was explaining to them how the global economy works.
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No, it's in your hands. And the Lord have mercy on our souls.
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Well, when you think about it, it isn't really.
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Deep down, we all know it's something that looms large over the true old skool tories.
The more wishy-washy, wet tory-in-name-only types may not care but proper patriots and true believers will never compromise their values.
Shakespeare, chaucer, WHITE cliffs of Dover, Salisbury cathedral, routemaster buses, Sunday roast dinners, Eton college, the blitz spirit, strongbow cider, Jim Davidson. These are the things worth fighting for.
Real tories won't throw that all away just to see gunga din strutting round like he owns the place.
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Not as simple as that.birdie wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:54 pmDon't forget that Obama told us that Britain would be at the back of the 'queue' if we voted to leave the EU, obviously told by Cameron to say that as the Americans don't have queues, they have lines.antdad wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:50 am Farage was never going to run especially with his track record. I watched an interview months ago and it was clear then he was happy to continue to be a disrupter on the sidelines than be part or the daily grind of politicking at his age.
Shame our strong U.S ally doesn't feel the same about the U.K's economic prospects by agreeing a trade deal, more Brexit benefits.
That pissed off quite a few people, being told by an American president how they should vote.
At the time, Gove, Johnson and Farage were shooting their mouths off in the campaign, claiming that all kinds of trade deals would blossom after leaving, with pride of place being a deal with the US.
Yet it was always unlikely we could make a deal because of US standards in food and our desire to export services. And even then trade deals have to be ratified by Congress, so it was perfectly true that it was unlikely and even if agreed would take a very long time.
As he was here, it was perfectly proper for him to advise that what people were being told was wrong. If they chose to ignore it, more fool them. It was the real world calling and once again we declined to listen.
If you recall Trump and May talked about a deal and Trump wanted US healthcare into the NHS, which would have been a catastrophic outcome, and underlines just how remote the chances of a deal were.
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You really think that Obama (a former constitutional law scholar) that has spent time here is that dumb he doesn't appreciate the UK uses a different word for line and needed to be told what to say by Cameron?
The U.S bar Trump have always wanted the UK to be in Europe because strategically it was always politically advantageous and we are more philosophically aligned not to mention the potential shit storm over the Irish border which ultimately materialised.
Trump on the other hand encouraged division and Brexit with his mate because the UK is ultimately weaker and more vulnerable in every way and that can be taken advantage of...
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trum ... -leverage/
The U.S bar Trump have always wanted the UK to be in Europe because strategically it was always politically advantageous and we are more philosophically aligned not to mention the potential shit storm over the Irish border which ultimately materialised.
Trump on the other hand encouraged division and Brexit with his mate because the UK is ultimately weaker and more vulnerable in every way and that can be taken advantage of...
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trum ... -leverage/
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Obama turned out to be right, though, didn't he?birdie wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:54 pmDon't forget that Obama told us that Britain would be at the back of the 'queue' if we voted to leave the EU, obviously told by Cameron to say that as the Americans don't have queues, they have lines.antdad wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:50 am Farage was never going to run especially with his track record. I watched an interview months ago and it was clear then he was happy to continue to be a disrupter on the sidelines than be part or the daily grind of politicking at his age.
Shame our strong U.S ally doesn't feel the same about the U.K's economic prospects by agreeing a trade deal, more Brexit benefits.
That pissed off quite a few people, being told by an American president how they should vote.
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Rubbers have a different meaning tooantdad wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 2:01 pm You really think that Obama (a former constitutional law scholar) that has spent time here is that dumb he doesn't appreciate the UK uses a different word for line and needed to be told what to say by Cameron?
The U.S bar Trump have always wanted the UK to be in Europe because strategically it was always politically advantageous and we are more philosophically aligned not to mention the potential shit storm over the Irish border which ultimately materialised.
Trump on the other hand encouraged division and Brexit with his mate because the UK is ultimately weaker and more vulnerable in every way and that can be taken advantage of...
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trum ... -leverage/
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henrycrs wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:45 pmThe Tick wrote:It'll be interesting to see if the gammons up and down the land will be prepared to hold their noses and vote to retain a prime minister who they regard as too brown to be blue.
Amazing that the left have to bring colour into it.
The only dilemma voters have is can they vote for a pathetic, weak cunt - that’s red or blue.
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Why do you resort to name calling, Ant? I feel embarrassed for you.antdad wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:14 amNot for Tory girl, that all happened under the last Labour government.
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So the Labour plan seems to be lots of placards with the word 'change' on it, talking about the last almost fifteen years of Tory government.
Tories seem to just being to claim Sunak has a plan and you should vote for that.
All pretty generic.
Tories seem to just being to claim Sunak has a plan and you should vote for that.
All pretty generic.
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The election will come as an enormous relief for the nation. Plus, it'll give the Tories an opportunity to take stock and clearly understand how the public feels – if they take the opportunity, that is.
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Because you would never do the same would you?lambrini wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 6:09 pmWhy do you resort to name calling, Ant? I feel embarrassed for you.antdad wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:14 amNot for Tory girl, that all happened under the last Labour government.