Whataboutary when mentioning the other active party in a two nation? How so? Why would I justify what Hamas have done? Are you suggesting I have somehow justified what they did yesterday? Be careful now.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:01 pmYay! There we go! I suspected the whataboutery would appear at some point.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:58 pmWhat do you call the settlers and politicians who are beating innocent Gazans and calling for collective punishment against them? That’s acceptable to you is it? You OK with settlers forcing people out of their homes, burning their olive groves and attacking them? That’s acceptable to you?lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:54 pmWhat should they be called, Lawns? Sensible, rational human beings? Oh, I agree! Men who rape and kill innocent people out of religious arrogance and resentment certainly deserve to keep their rights. They're not animals in the slightest! For God's sake, just listen to yourself.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:30 pmWith a weary sense of unease, seemingly decided your answer by calling them “animals”. Nice one.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:16 pmI agree that retaliation isn't the right thing to do, but what would you suggest, Lawns? Should Hamas representatives (if they have any) sit down with Netanyahu and engage in talks? They don’t believe in diplomacy and reconciliation, let alone democracy and peace.The thought of being civilised and finding common ground wouldn't even enter their primitive little brains. They're animals.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:26 pmAnd what should that full force be? Love how these unqualified keyboard generals can propose such erudite and strategically intelligent action thousands of miles away without being specific. Do you think Israel should reoccupy Gaza? Do you think they should carpet bomb the territory? Yes, that would really not inflame the Gazans, Hamas and Hezbollah wouldn’t it?
If being "polemic" and a contrarian means condemning the barbaric acts of Islamic extrem then so be it.
For the record, no. It's not acceptable. Why do you ask? Why are you trying to justify Hamas' barbarity?
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Yup.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:05 pmWhataboutary when mentioning the other active party in a two nation? How so? Why would I justify what Hamas have done? Are you suggesting I have somehow justified what they did yesterday? Be careful now.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:01 pmYay! There we go! I suspected the whataboutery would appear at some point.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:58 pmWhat do you call the settlers and politicians who are beating innocent Gazans and calling for collective punishment against them? That’s acceptable to you is it? You OK with settlers forcing people out of their homes, burning their olive groves and attacking them? That’s acceptable to you?lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:54 pmWhat should they be called, Lawns? Sensible, rational human beings? Oh, I agree! Men who rape and kill innocent people out of religious arrogance and resentment certainly deserve to keep their rights. They're not animals in the slightest! For God's sake, just listen to yourself.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:30 pmWith a weary sense of unease, seemingly decided your answer by calling them “animals”. Nice one.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:16 pmI agree that retaliation isn't the right thing to do, but what would you suggest, Lawns? Should Hamas representatives (if they have any) sit down with Netanyahu and engage in talks? They don’t believe in diplomacy and reconciliation, let alone democracy and peace.The thought of being civilised and finding common ground wouldn't even enter their primitive little brains. They're animals.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:26 pmAnd what should that full force be? Love how these unqualified keyboard generals can propose such erudite and strategically intelligent action thousands of miles away without being specific. Do you think Israel should reoccupy Gaza? Do you think they should carpet bomb the territory? Yes, that would really not inflame the Gazans, Hamas and Hezbollah wouldn’t it?
If being "polemic" and a contrarian means condemning the barbaric acts of Islamic extrem then so be it.
For the record, no. It's not acceptable. Why do you ask? Why are you trying to justify Hamas' barbarity?
You literally condemned me for calling them animals. Why, Lawns?
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Hard to debate with you lambrini when you make it about your personal feelings.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:07 pmYup.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:05 pmWhataboutary when mentioning the other active party in a two nation? How so? Why would I justify what Hamas have done? Are you suggesting I have somehow justified what they did yesterday? Be careful now.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:01 pmYay! There we go! I suspected the whataboutery would appear at some point.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:58 pmWhat do you call the settlers and politicians who are beating innocent Gazans and calling for collective punishment against them? That’s acceptable to you is it? You OK with settlers forcing people out of their homes, burning their olive groves and attacking them? That’s acceptable to you?lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:54 pmWhat should they be called, Lawns? Sensible, rational human beings? Oh, I agree! Men who rape and kill innocent people out of religious arrogance and resentment certainly deserve to keep their rights. They're not animals in the slightest! For God's sake, just listen to yourself.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:30 pmWith a weary sense of unease, seemingly decided your answer by calling them “animals”. Nice one.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:16 pmI agree that retaliation isn't the right thing to do, but what would you suggest, Lawns? Should Hamas representatives (if they have any) sit down with Netanyahu and engage in talks? They don’t believe in diplomacy and reconciliation, let alone democracy and peace.The thought of being civilised and finding common ground wouldn't even enter their primitive little brains. They're animals.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:26 pmAnd what should that full force be? Love how these unqualified keyboard generals can propose such erudite and strategically intelligent action thousands of miles away without being specific. Do you think Israel should reoccupy Gaza? Do you think they should carpet bomb the territory? Yes, that would really not inflame the Gazans, Hamas and Hezbollah wouldn’t it?
If being "polemic" and a contrarian means condemning the barbaric acts of Islamic extrem then so be it.
For the record, no. It's not acceptable. Why do you ask? Why are you trying to justify Hamas' barbarity?
You literally condemned me for calling them animals. Why, Lawns?
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I was asking for a response to lambrini's, "I agree that retaliation isn't the right thing to do, but what would you suggest, Lawns?" and got it, thank you.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:51 pmI do yeah and I think it’s a two state solution which is a mutually agreeable one and doesn’t need ultra right politicians in Israel calling the Palestinians cockroaches, evil scum and subhuman and worse. I’m sure you’ve followed the decades old conflict and know what I’m referring to.
Are you aware of Palestinian children being beaten, bundled into army vehicles and attacked by settlers across the West Bank and Gaza? Is this an acceptable response?
What specifically are you asking for a response to? The coordinated attacks yesterday by Hamas? Well, the Israelis and going to pound Gaza, raise it to the ground and kill hundreds of people regardless of you and I say.
I am aware of Palestinian children being beaten and have been since seeing Israeli soldiers take boys up to the hills and use rocks to break their bones during the first Intifada which was caught on camera.
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How is calling Hamas "animals" my personal feelings? Rapists and murderers are animals. I surprised you disagree, but perhaps I'm missing something.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:12 pmHard to debate with you lambrini when you make it about your personal feelings.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:07 pmYup.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:05 pmWhataboutary when mentioning the other active party in a two nation? How so? Why would I justify what Hamas have done? Are you suggesting I have somehow justified what they did yesterday? Be careful now.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:01 pmYay! There we go! I suspected the whataboutery would appear at some point.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:58 pmWhat do you call the settlers and politicians who are beating innocent Gazans and calling for collective punishment against them? That’s acceptable to you is it? You OK with settlers forcing people out of their homes, burning their olive groves and attacking them? That’s acceptable to you?lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:54 pmWhat should they be called, Lawns? Sensible, rational human beings? Oh, I agree! Men who rape and kill innocent people out of religious arrogance and resentment certainly deserve to keep their rights. They're not animals in the slightest! For God's sake, just listen to yourself.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:30 pmWith a weary sense of unease, seemingly decided your answer by calling them “animals”. Nice one.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:16 pmI agree that retaliation isn't the right thing to do, but what would you suggest, Lawns? Should Hamas representatives (if they have any) sit down with Netanyahu and engage in talks? They don’t believe in diplomacy and reconciliation, let alone democracy and peace.The thought of being civilised and finding common ground wouldn't even enter their primitive little brains. They're animals.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:26 pmAnd what should that full force be? Love how these unqualified keyboard generals can propose such erudite and strategically intelligent action thousands of miles away without being specific. Do you think Israel should reoccupy Gaza? Do you think they should carpet bomb the territory? Yes, that would really not inflame the Gazans, Hamas and Hezbollah wouldn’t it?
If being "polemic" and a contrarian means condemning the barbaric acts of Islamic extrem then so be it.
For the record, no. It's not acceptable. Why do you ask? Why are you trying to justify Hamas' barbarity?
You literally condemned me for calling them animals. Why, Lawns?
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Yep. And it's all driven by religion and ideology. Tribe against tribe. It's so sad.
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A lot of the trouble is caused by what Israel and it’s supporters have done to Palestine , it’s people and it’s land
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Jews have every right to live there as much as Palestinians. I don't understand why the two can't coexist in relative peace, nor why neighboring Arab countries have to stick their oar in.
Interestingly, the Israel has offered Palestinians a state of their own on numerous occasions, and they declined. Why?
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lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:32 pmJews have every right to live there as much as Palestinians. I don't understand why the two can't coexist in relative peace, nor why neighboring Arab countries have to stick their oar in.
Interestingly, the Israel has offered Palestinians a state of their own on numerous occasions, and they declined. Why?
Israel was never serious about any lasting peace, or two state solution. The closest they got was the Oslo Accord as signed by Yitzhak Rabin. Then he was assassinated by a Jewish extremist and little to nothing came out of it.
Israel talks peace but acts war and expansion.
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Could that final sentence also be.....Russia talks peace but acts war and expansionThe Tick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:39 pmlambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:32 pmJews have every right to live there as much as Palestinians. I don't understand why the two can't coexist in relative peace, nor why neighboring Arab countries have to stick their oar in.
Interestingly, the Israel has offered Palestinians a state of their own on numerous occasions, and they declined. Why?
Israel was never serious about any lasting peace, or two state solution. The closest they got was the Oslo Accord as signed by Yitzhak Rabin. Then he was assassinated by a Jewish extremist and little to nothing came out of it.
Israel talks peace but acts war and expansion.
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Russia has nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict.
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Ready Bg your reply, I’m not too sure you understand what happened and continues to happen.lambrini wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:32 pmJews have every right to live there as much as Palestinians. I don't understand why the two can't coexist in relative peace, nor why neighboring Arab countries have to stick their oar in.
Interestingly, the Israel has offered Palestinians a state of their own on numerous occasions, and they declined. Why?
Perhaps compare and contrast Palestine from say, 1946 to Palestine today
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