On that basis, the last "normal time" was in 1982, when Lord Carrington resigned ... and it wasn't really his fault, but he did it anyway because "the buck stops here".
Ah, those were the days!
On that basis, the last "normal time" was in 1982, when Lord Carrington resigned ... and it wasn't really his fault, but he did it anyway because "the buck stops here".
Yet some posters were parroting their "return to their families with no consequences" line without questionchelseachelsea wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:46 pmAgreed, BUT then kill every fucker who was against them.Vespa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:19 pmI don't think they are the flavour of the month, I think they are just playing nice until everyone fucks off.delboy1983 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:53 pm Talaban currently flavour of the month until they start shooting those who didn't make it out,persecuting all females,raping some of them and bringing all afghans back to their previous middle ages existance.
Even then ISIS-K are worse.
The current date was negotiated by Trump, the criticism of Biden is he went with the Trump plan. It's a fair criticism.
They were supposed to be out in May. He extended it to August.
Biden could have changed his mind at any point and he needs to own that. That's not my point, my point is people saying Trump would have done it better discount the fact that the evacuation started under Trump and he did fuck all to make it happen. Claiming it would be different under his is nonsense it would have been the same.Zambo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:16 am We are not close enough to know for sure.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 021-08-22/
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-mi ... 4604aa11be
But Biden can go only so far in claiming the agreement boxed him in. It had an escape clause: The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it, although he delayed the complete pullout from May to September. etc etc.
My point is the Trump blimpers have one eye shut. I'm certainly not saying Trump would have done it better, but could anyone have done it worse. My other point is we don't know what Trump would have done in Biden's shoes, so saying that it would have been the same is nonsense. As per the link, Biden made some choices that Trump may have not.Vespa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:11 pmBiden could have changed his mind at any point and he needs to own that. That's not my point, my point is people saying Trump would have done it better discount the fact that the evacuation started under Trump and he did fuck all to make it happen. Claiming it would be different under his is nonsense it would have been the same.Zambo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:16 am We are not close enough to know for sure.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 021-08-22/
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-mi ... 4604aa11be
But Biden can go only so far in claiming the agreement boxed him in. It had an escape clause: The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it, although he delayed the complete pullout from May to September. etc etc.
For goodness sake! No. I'm saying that the Biden administration handled the withdrawal badly despite the Trump administration's implementation. Their lack of crisis management created an unnecessary shitshow.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:39 pm You think Trump’s hands are clean in all this? Really? Biden has just inherited the shite, handled it badly yes but Trump’s been lucky in that he ‘negotiated’ the peace agreement and handed it to someone to administer the withdrawal. To get party points and emphasise senility from this is not really on. Dementia isn’t really something to laugh at as some seem to be doing.